Doi Luang Chiang Dao (or Doi Luang as locals shorten it to) is Thailand’s third tallest mountain and it’s most spectacular. From a distance it appears as one gigantic looming mass, but is actually, as I discovered, a series of peaks intersected by a valley.
Either 2175 or 2225 metres high depending on which map or brochure you’re looking at, it’s located near the village of Chiang Dao 73 kilometres north of Chiang Mai. ‘Chiang Dao’ means City of the Stars.
Chiang Dao is a little off the main route for those going to Pai (which many people do from Chiang Mai), but there’s quite a lot to see, especially if you have your own transport, though is well worth a visit even if you don’t. There are hot springs and caves nearby (the latter not as impressive as those around Soppong).
And a colourful Tuesday market.
It’s also a popular destination for birdwatchers – apparently there are species found nowhere else, but here. Bird sounds are one of the things I first noticed, particularly in the early morning at the guesthouse.
The only downside to my visit in February is that it is agricultural burn-off time, and smoke filled the air, restricting visibility.
It can be difficult finding precise information about climbing Doi Luang. To begin with, literature published by the Thai Tourist Authority, and National Parks list many rules and regulations that aren’t implemented in practice. They will say, for instance, that you require a permit to enter the park and that it needs to be applied for two weeks in advance, and that a guide is required to climb the mountain, which is done as an overnight hike.
I had been tempted to do the latter. It included a sunrise at the summit when panoramas would be at their best (but that would also be tempered by the present haze). The elderly couple running my guesthouse didn’t speak English and information about guided treks wasn’t readily available so I pursued the prospect of doing it solo.
An American staying at the guesthouse said he’d spoken to a Thai who had hiked from one side of the mountain to the other in five hours, and claimed, from his experience, that this trek compared with any in the world for scenery and unusual vegetation.
Eventually, after talking to various people, including Park rangers (albeit it with limited English), I concluded it was possible to do it as a day hike and that it would take about six hours.
There are two entry points. The first one, Pang Wua, is on the road beyond the caves, which is the most common route even though it is referred to as Start 2 on the park brochure. An Englishman I’d met in a cafe near the caves said he attempted it, but found the path too steep and the track fell away so he turned back after a couple of kilometres. This put me off a little because, while reasonably fit, I hadn’t done any serious hiking for a long time.
Thai maps are rarely to scale and the one on this Park brochure is oriented south. Dismiss the rules and regulations. Though, there is another (3rd) park entry near the hot springs and perhaps that is more restricted.
The second entry point is from the west side at Den Ya Kad (DYK). If I interpreted the ranger correctly the climb from there is more gradual. I ran into the Englishman again at the park check-in point when I was still gathering information. He was into bird-watching and had a map I took a photo of (below). He had tried driving to Den Ya Kad, but said the road was impassable without 4WD, though okay, he thought, for my motorbike.
His map is oriented north, though so out-of-scale you could almost dismiss the accuracy of that, but every bit of information was helping fill in the blanks.
The woman at the Black Cat cafe, meanwhile, said that the closer entry point at Pang Wua took you more directly to Ang Saloong, a valley that was supposedly of special interest. Anyway, I eventually decided to trek the ‘harder route’ from Pang Wua, because the other starting point (at DYK) would take longer to reach and I wasn’t really certain it would be any easier. I also figured if I got into trouble the more commonly used track might mean more readily available assistance.
Anyway, enough rambling preamble about the ramble! I took off from the guesthouse a little after 7AM on my Honda Dream 125 that I rented in Chiang Mai, went through the park gates and forked out the foreigner fee of 200 baht (valid 3 days), but wasn’t required to sign-in or have my day pack checked as outlined in the R & R.
As the rules of travel-coincidence would have it, though, I met the Englishman again before entering the park. He was on the side of the road with a tripod set up taking bird photos. He explained there were no signs indicating the track starting point, but said it was at an obvious clearing beside the road on the left hand side.
The road from the park entry point takes you fairly steeply up to about 1100 meters – the Honda coped okay with its first real test, but had to kick it back into lowest gear at appropriate intervals.
At the first sign of an obvious clearing I pulled in and encountered a Thai woman parked there who was able to confirm it was the start of the track to the summit. She was adamant that it wasn’t possible to do the hike in one day, so much so that I muttered I’d just go part way and see how I went. I wasn’t sure how far I’d get anyway if the Englishman’s version of events was accurate. The woman’s protestations were also a little off-putting, but I felt they could be discounted based on the various accounts I’d heard.
Grab one of the walking poles leaning against the trees here. They can come in handy, especially if you have dinky knees.
It was about 8.15ish when I hit the trail.
I first encountered three motorbikes, parked out of sight from the road, indicating others were on the trail. A little ahead of them was a barrier that is presumably there to prevent bikes being ridden further.
The track is in good condition and clearly defined. It soon begins to steepen, but not impossibly so, and while a little damp, firm steps are cut into the soil. I kept wondering when I was going to encounter the terrain described by the Englishman – or was it just a case of difficulty being relative to one’s experience? The latter proved to be the case – it’s hard enough, but a fair way off being vertical.
The peak in the above photo turned out to be at the location of the first saddle. From here you briefly descend then walk through Ang Saloong (I eventually realised) where, for a few kilometres, the going is easy. The forest is pleasant, but I didn’t feel it was especially unique.
Views of peaks on either side begin to open up, and along with it spectacular scenes reminiscent of the Cradle Mountain trek in Tasmania, Australia. I hoped the climb would take me above the haze, but no such luck. When you think about it, smoke is lighter than cloud so if anything would soar higher and be more widely dispersed. At this time of day and from this approach, you’re also walking into the sun which adds another degree to photo-taking difficulty.
This sign in Thai confused momentarily, but I concluded the path on the right must be the one coming up from start 1 (DYK), and that I should go left. This was confirmed when I heard voices coming from that direction. A small group of foreigners with their Thai guides and porters were descending from an overnight hike – they most likely belonged to the motorbikes.
From here on, the track is mostly up and becomes gradually steeper, but is no worse than the initial stages of the trek. It’s not technically difficult either – a well made trail.
Eventually a campsite is encountered – first indicated by a makeshift toilet on the left. I thought it must be the campsite near the summit, but it’s another one called Dong Noi (which may well mean ‘small campsite’, but that’s just a guess).
The views just kept getting better.
Birds were the main wildlife – mostly heard and not seen – along with attractive butterflies that didn’t remain still long enough to photograph.
I came to another sign in Thai that momentarily confused – did it indicate a circuit? I figured ‘left’ was the way, but I briefly took right just to double-check. More tents suggested this was the main campground beneath the summit. Though, looking at the Park brochure later, I discovered there was also a track to another viewpoint and the sign could have been indicating the two routes.
The left track, meanwhile, brought me to a larger camping site with erected tents scattered around, but no people. I assume they are used by the trekking guides (each probably has their own area). The tents are fairly basic and it looks somewhat messy.
The track to the summit (straight ahead) can be found toward the rear of the camping area and leading off to the right. It is steeper that it looks in the photo and requires occasional, very minor, rock scrambling. I only found it difficult due to lack of condition. If you did the overnight hike you’d be resting now and wouldn’t need to tackle it until morning – unless you wanted sunset as well, of course – but that’d be awhile off anyway.
The summit (seen during the approach in the valley) never looked to be the highest point until you were actually on top of it. I had the whole scene to myself, and hadn’t seen anyone since passing the group on their descent. Though, I wasn’t entirely alone – a small deer burst out of the thickets and disappeared down a slope.
The sign indicates 2225 metres, but I doubt that’s conclusive proof.
On a clear day you could probably see to Doi Inthanon, Thailand’s highest mountain. But you’d have to turn around – the pics here are looking north.
I was up too early for the guesthouse breakfast, but had some snack-bars, and a rehydrating drink. Though, the weather is comfortable at this time of year so wasn’t needing to consume much water. Better preparation would have had me bring something more substantial to eat, though.
One of the most amazing and rewarding features of the trek is the sense of solitude. That’s rarely encountered in Thailand.
The valley between the two rows of peaks below indicates the track route.
It darkened a little and almost looked as if it could rain, but all that happened was the wind picked up.
My knees struggled on the way back down to the campsite, but were better for that warm up. As Murphy’s Law would have it, the wind cleared the haze a little and patches of blue sky emerged.
Further down, I encountered a foreign couple ascending with their Thai guides and porters. An entourage of four accompanying the couple seemed to be overkill, but who am I to judge? We exchanged smiles in passing, but not pleasantries. Were the foreigners thinking, “What’s this guy doing out here on his own?” Were the guides thinking behind their half-smile, “Who’s this subversive undermining our income source?” After this encounter I was on my own again.
Other than the birds, butterflies and a lone deer, I came across this snake. It only looks like a baby, but who knows? It raised its head as I approached and not wanting to take chances at this point in the hike: I bush-bashed around it.
The final stretch was like the ascent in reverse, mainly painful because muscles were being reborn. I wouldn’t like to do it in wet conditions, though.
I arrived back at the Honda nearing 3.30pm and returned the bamboo walking stick to its spot against the tree. The trek took seven hours, though I frequently stopped to take photos.
I also suspect it’s longer than the 7.5 kilometres one-way as indicted in the Englishman’s flyer. (Update – see Bruna’s comment below confirming it at 7.5K)
I also concluded the American’s Thai friend didn’t include the summit in his trek or, if so, rarely stopped to enjoy the spectacle. He exited via DYK.
As usual for my posts, see the slideshow below for a better view and wider range of pics.
TIP – if arranging a guided, overnight trek see if you can get the guides to approach from the west side (Start 1 – DYK) and leave next day from the east at Pang Wua. Then you will probably have the sun at your back (assuming you start in the afternoon) and not always be retracing steps on the second day. Likewise, if you have your own camping gear and transport I don’t see any reason why you can’t do your own overnight hike. But maybe the guides and porters wouldn’t want word to get out that their assistance isn’t required.
For those that don’t have their own vehicle, there is frequent public transport from Chiang Mai. I stayed at Nature Home Guesthouse, which is a lovely little spot with bungalows for 500B, and is about two kilometers from the bus station off the road heading toward the caves and national park.
If you need information upon arriving – turn left outside the bus station and cross a small bridge – there you’ll find a bakery/cafe that not only sells great, cheap coffee, but the owner speaks good English and can help with directions. He also does a mean Kiwi soda for 20B.
at 8:28 am
Paul,
What an adventure, your hike sounded wonderful. I love hiking and the serenity it brings especially in special places full of beauty like this one. Well done.
at 12:49 pm
Thanks, Sandrina – this trek definitely had serenity. Darryl Kerrigan would approve.
at 10:43 am
Thanks for this !
Looking to do a hike with a friend this weekend – we’re probably staying a night in Chiang Dao, and likely doing the climb and summit in a day ! Read from sources that it is probably a 5 hour hike – what do you reckon? Advise is greatly appreciated 🙂
at 11:59 am
It took me longer than five hours, but I stopped a lot to take photos and hadn’t done any serious hiking for quite a while. Five hours is do-able if you’re reasonably fit, though might be rushing it a bit. Now should be a good time to attempt it visibility-wise – ahead of the agricultural burning off. Am envious – have a great hike 🙂
at 7:29 pm
Hi Paul,
Thank you so much for this brilliant description you’ve made, with pictures and all, it’s really difficult to find information to go by your own.
We just arrived from our trekking and you definitely don’t need a guide to do this, neither stay there for an overnight and it’s 7,57km indeed, we followed with our gps.
The view is really beautiful and it worth the trekking! Thanks again!
at 8:39 am
Thanks for your comment and compliments, Bruna:
A guide might be useful on some occasions, but you’re right it’s not necessary from a navigational or difficulty point of view, especially if you have some familiarity with hiking. The park rangers were okay about you going it alone. The reality once you get there is at odds with the tourist literature.
And yes, the views are spectacular – it has a lot to see for one mountain!
at 2:14 pm
Really great post! We are considering doing this hike and as we always travel on a very low budget hiring a guide wouldn’t be an option. Glad to hear it isn’t really necessary! Also, do you recall how much was it to rent a bike in Chiang Mai? Could you rent a scooter on a international car license? Never drove a motorbike before.
Now the only question is wether it will be doable while we are there. As you mentioned about burn offs in February we’ve been reading that in April when we’ll be there they are also happening and due to the dry season and the fires the air would be too thick and they don’t even allow people to go up. Would you know anything about that?
Thanks a lot!
at 8:34 pm
Hi, Francis. Thanks for your comment. l’m away myself at present so I’ll answer as best I can while I briefly have WiFi. From memory it was about 200baht a day for a little step thru scooter 125. Cheaper the longer you rent. I mention a place in my top five Chiang Mai tips post. I’d suggest a more recent automatic model tho. You can rent a motorbike in Thailand without a bike licence but take in mind your travel insurance probably won’t cover you if you have an accident. I can’t really confirm the April question, though it’s Thailand’s hottest month so be prepared for that. I had thought the park only closed during the wet months but could be wrong. Someone I just spoke to said they tried to to shorten the burning season, but people just started burning earlier. Don’t think it will be finished by April tho.
at 4:20 pm
Ok, not so bad. I guess we’ll have to get there and try our luck.
Thanks a lot for the quick reply! Safe travels : )
at 6:00 pm
Hi, Francis: now I’m back in the land of the connected can add a little more to my previous comment if you’re still in touch. A google search didn’t reveal anything about the park ever closing due to fires, though I imagine if the smoke was that bad you probably wouldn’t want to do the hike anyway. We’ve been getting a bit of rain down south and much cooler weather than you’d expect for this time of year. Don’t know what it’s like up North, but you could be in luck. I thought Chiang Dao was worth a visit anyway, as a detour off the route to Pai. Enjoy either way. Cheers, Paul
at 12:48 pm
Great guide to a no guided hike! I do have a question, did you have to get a permit to hike this mountain all by yourself? Please let me know how did you get it if you did. Planning to hike this mountain solo with no guide too.
at 4:04 pm
Hi, Hannah:
Thanks for your comment. There was no permit required when I did it; you just had to pay the park entry fee. When are you planning the hike? I imagine it would be wet now and may even be closed. Nov to early Feb are probably the best times.
Regards
Paul
at 5:16 pm
Hi Paul!
Great article, I’m looking to do the hike in end January. Online websites keep mentioning that a permit is required. Is that true? Or can I just get the park entry fee and do the hike on my own?
Appreciate your input!
at 2:03 am
Thanks for your comment, Renee:
I read promotional brochures that referred to permits and guides being needed, as mentioned in the post. In reality, neither were required when I arrived and did the hike, and more recent comments above suggest that’s still the case – pay park entry and do the hike on your own. The rangers were perfectly ok about it too.
I’m not sure which websites you read – if they are from the Tourism Authority of Thailand that would be consistent with their pamphlets.
Part of the southern end of the park has more restricted access if I remember correctly, and I wonder if that’s what they are referring to. Or it could just be a case of one department not communicating with another.
But unless someone has recent information that reveals otherwise, I’d safely say it’s ok to do the hike independently and without permits.
at 3:54 pm
Hi Paul,
thanks for your swift reply!
I read some reviews on tripadvisor and other touristy Thailand websites!
Where can I get the park entry ticket? is it easily located?
at 11:40 pm
Hi, Renee:
I give a fairly detailed account in my article. The short answer is that the most used park entry is a few k’s from the village of Chiang Dao (well, probably a bit further, but walking distance in my estimation). There are guesthouses in the town itself, and some nearer the park.
However, the start to the hike is further along the road that intersects the park.
You can catch a bus to Chiang Dao from Chiang Mai, but it would be handy to have your own transport – a motorbike or car – or maybe you could hitch a ride? It might be possible to walk the whole way from the park entry, but it would be adding time and difficulty.
at 2:26 pm
Hi, Renee:
Further to my reply yesterday – I had a look on Maps Me (if you don’t have this app I’d suggest downloading it because you can use it offline). It shows the walking track and has the start as ‘parking’ which you can bookmark to get bearings. I couldn’t see the park entry booth on it, but it looks too far to walk the whole way from there, unless you plan on camping.
It’s been nearly three years since I did the hike, and I had a motorbike so walking distances (other than the hike itself) are only rough estimates.
Maps Me also indicates other walking tracks branching out from the guesthouses nearer the park entry (not to the summit), but I don’t know about any of those. However, locals would have more info.
Often with travel, things don’t really make sense until you get there. If you really want to do the hike you’ll find a way. It’s worth the effort, and this time of year is best.
Cheers, Paul
at 8:41 pm
Hi Paul,
I’m currently in Chiang Dao at Chiang Dao Hostel. I would just like to ask, were you using a Google Map when you were search for the starting point? Because for me, when I tried searching it says that Pang Wua is 4+ houra away from me. Im just curious im ill be going in the right direction tomorrow.
at 8:45 pm
And do you have any other places to recommend that i can do or go here in Chiang Dao if my plan in hiking Doi Chiang Dao tomorrow is unsuccessful for whaever reason.
at 9:54 pm
Hi, Kix:
In answer to your questions – it may well be four hours if you’re walking. I rode a motorbike to the starting point as previously mentioned and described.
I used Maps Me yesterday to see if it showed the starting point – it just says ‘parking’ but you can see the track leads to the summit along the lines I described in my article. When I did the hike I just used rudimentary paper maps and followed my nose – the track itself was well defined.
The other tracks shown on Maps Me I know nothing about because I didn’t have the app back when I did the hike. The walk to the temple is worth doing, and the hot springs might be of interest.
Cheers,
Paul
at 2:31 am
Hi Paul, love the post, just the information I was looking for. I’ve come across other post and comments else where saying the park is only open Friday, Saturday & Sunday. Would you be able to confirm this or have any info regarding the claim?
at 11:55 am
Hi, Ian:
Thanks for your comment. Glad you liked the post. I haven’t heard anything about it being closed during the week, but I did the hike three years ago and in February. However, several people above have commented that they’ve read differently to my account here, but none have come back to confirm it, so I can only conclude that my description is still accurate. Do you have links to these other posts/comments?
at 11:59 pm
This is the first one I came across with the 3 day window, I’ve read several others with the same info. My assumption is that it’s for the overnight tours but I myself want to stay up for a night on my own. So far my best plan of action is showing up to the park office a few days ahead and asking then.
https://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowUserReviews-g1216713-d4322707-r539402632-Doi_Luang_Chiang_Dao-Chiang_Dao.html
at 8:58 am
Thanks, Ian:
There seems to be some contradictory info on those Tripadvisor posts. They might be talking about different entry points. You don’t need a 4WD to get to the most commonly used entry, for example. And there was a conservation area in the south that was more restricted. However, things might have changed a lot since I did it if the reports of crowds is accurate. I virtually had the place to myself.
Perhaps problems arise if you attempt it on a weekend. And if it’s busy maybe some rangers aren’t as flexible. The person writing about the three day restriction appeared to be approaching from Chiang Mai – info you get at a distance is often quite different to what you find on the spot.
Your idea of arriving earlier to check it out is a good one. I hired a motorbike in Chiang Mai, but you might be able to get one at Chiang Dao. Can you report back and let us know how you went? Paul
at 11:37 am
I completely agree about the 4WD vehicle; it is not necessary. I also prefer during the weekdays but I’m making my arrangements base on the info available and there is just not enough consistent info so I have to go with what has been said. My trip is not for another few months but I will happily gather all the (legal) info regarding the park and anything else that lends it self towards the less conventional way to enjoy the area. By any chance, would you have any contacts in Thailand that speak English, Spanish or French?
at 2:55 am
Update* I got in-touch with a local Airbnb owner who lives at the foothill of Chiang Dao. He confirmed that in the last few years, new regulations have been made as far as park entry. Because of the parks growing popularity, there were concerns about wildlife damage. Regulations and restrictions very every season; sometimes opening later or closing earlier.
While he cannot confirm when the park will be accessible this year, 2018, he suspects that it will be the same as last year. Nov 1st to end of Feb, 3 days a week: Friday, Saturday and Sunday.
Permits have to be booked in advance, never on the day of the hike. One can also assume there is a limited amount of permits. Guides are required but in my personal opinion, not necessary to reach the top. At the same time, not that expensive.
at 12:25 pm
Thanks, Ian:
The main Thai contact I have is a tour guide based in Khon Kaen and she focuses on Isan attractions, though it seems you found someone anyway. I was aware of the park being closed during the wet season, but If what else your contact says is accurate then things have indeed changed a lot in three years – or even more recently that that, based on what others have commented above. This might mean the town and area of Chiang Dao is changing rapidly as well and best to go now before it becomes too discovered. A guide isn’t necessary for finding your way, though a good one could make for a more informative journey.
at 1:25 am
Hi Paul. Thank you so much for the time and effort you put into this post. I have not found any information about hiking Doi Luang as extensive as this. Very well done. You say the trails are closed during the rainy season.. is that enforced/ would it actually be super dangerous to hike to the summit in the rainy season? I am only here during the rainy season, but would really love to do this hike if at all possible. I am an experienced hiker and have hiked wet trails before, so I was just wondering how dangerous it really is.
at 11:15 pm
Hi, Rachel:
Thanks for your kind words. I don’t know if it’s dangerous as much as there’s no access. In normal conditions the trek isn’t particularly difficult for an experienced hiker, but during the rainy season some parts would be slippery and other areas might be waterlogged. The road that intersects the park could be open, but if you tried to do the hike and got into trouble it might not be a good idea.
However, if Ian’s comment above is accurate, things would seem to have changed rapidly in the past couple years in regard to the park’s popularity and additional restrictions imposed, even during the dry season.
But the area is worth a visit either way and you can get more up to date information once there. It’s much less discovered than Pai.